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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.15 07:45:00 -
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Posting in an epic whine thread! Boo hoo, I need to subscribe to a mmorpg to get my character to advance in that game. What a horrible idea and a weird and new concept!  |
Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.15 08:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Rosetterial
Worst changes ever... worst excuse ever... and made the most interesting MMO turning the worst ever...
It's been months since I've switch over from WoW to Eve, and one of the MAIN REASON of doing so... is the Ghost training. We are all adult and have a day job. I'll like to have the option of un-subscribing for 1-2 months and have training going when I'm uber busy with work and unable to log in... this change CCP made, is really sad.
Removing ghost training made EVE from most interesting to worst? Right. So the best part of eve is that skill level number going up? In that case if you have a job, paying the small monthly fee for the number to rise shouldn't be a problem. |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gara Al''Malik on 15/10/2008 08:24:28
Originally by: spinarax
I h8 u CCP! >.<
*I dont really have anything contructive to post, just want to bump the post count 
Yes, keep the drama up! I still need more sweet whiner tears. They are the best pod fluid, as someone said. |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: NupetietVer
Indeed, since CCP is an up and growing company, they should listen to the players since its the players that dictate the success. You just FUBAR'd that up.
And the best business plan is to keep the customers happy, and you failed at that CCP, in a horrendous way.
To be honest, some of us are happy to see the broken ghost training disabled. It was a loophole and EVE is better without it. The only mistake CCP did was wording the announcement. |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Caiman Graystock
Just what did CCP expect to gain from this move? Is this just some stubborn resolve now? All CCP has done is instill anger in the community at an enormous level. I fail to see ANY positive coming from this, even if there was a complete 180. Sad.
Well you know, not all of us are sad to see ghost training gone as you will see if you read some of the posts in this thread. It was broken and EVE is better without it. CCP announced the change in a bad way, but still the change is for the better. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
We look at it from the new players' visual angle what will be the consequence.
All learning learning skill 2 months and the player does nothing quasi till then.
Not amusing the game for young characters just grind and boring learning skills . With what long the skills tires of it soon and loses the game.
There are some valid problems with the way ccp announced the disabling of ghost training but this is crap. New players have a lot of things to do and experiment in the beginning even if they decide to mostly train learning skills (which is not the be the best idea unless you are total munchkin). Infact eve is still the only mmorpg that I know that doesn't require you to grind to advance your character. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Not need grind for a starter character ? If you give for them ISK from main account.
But yes the starter character need grind.
No. You can trade to get isk and the skills advance without xp grind. You can also join some player corp and get the basic equipment from the corporation since frigates, destroyers and t1 cruisers with t1 basic modules don't really cost anything to older players. Also I wouldn't consider the first missions you do grinding. It becomes grinding only after you do it a lot.
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They can't use better weapons and modules without money, and for their skills not enabled jus lvl1 or lvl2 agents, they can't fight in low sec, they can't fight in 0.0.
It may be used as a bullet trap of course, but who want to be bullet trap ? And another thing, he can't survive alone.
So what if they can only do level ones and twos? The low level missions are as fun ( or dull, depending on your point of view to missioning) as the higher level missions. You can also act as a salvager to older players running missions. Also starting characters can be useful in pvp. Not as dps but as tacklers and ewar. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
??? Go trade without money ? How mutch money need for trading ? Oh no he will traid 2 isk/day and another thing he need skillbook for train and trade skill and more.
You need very little capital to make profit equal to what you get from the level one and two missions. It's not hard to make profit with low capital since the serious traders are only interested in items where they can invest many millions.
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Oh starter character need something ? Need corp ? Need money ? Need ship, need skills ?
You lost me there. What do you mean? Sure they need stuff. And...?
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Low level mission is fun ? LOL how mutch time need for boring ?
Well, I enjoyed them for a couple of months. Not everyone likes missioning as I said in my post. What was your point?
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Let's see the starter character good for PvP thing.
1-2 months character can use t2 guns that's real, because he not need learning if starting a soldier. But need learning skills and he learning 1 or 1,5 months ago learning skills. He cant use good modules just shit and if should be use better t1 modules, that is really high prices.
Did you even read my post? I said that starter characters are not good as dps. So no need for t2 guns. You just need a web, scrambler, ecm or a disruptor. They don't need to be t2 or best named to be useful.
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What he will doing if corpmates not online ? Nothing because he just a bullet trap nothing else. He will go to mission, or mining or just spin ship in station.
That is very boring thing at time to time.
Of course solo pvp is hard/impossible for starter char, but then again eve pvp is mostly not solo. You can join a big enough corp or fw so that you don't get lonely and have mates to go pvp with. Or trade, go fooling around in low sec/null sec, haul stuff or whatever other things you like in eve. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Holy crap! 132 pages.
That's some hardcore whinging there.
Yes it is. I've almost filled my pod with sweet whiner tears. Only need a few more pages. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Starter character need for PvP skillbooks, money, ships or more ships when lost one, pvp skills. How mutch months need for that ? Not one. At least 4 or more. Just 2 months the learning skills. Want to use MWD , disruptor, web, better ships, resists , extenders, rigs, salvager ? You need cap ? You can't fit the ship because you have not enough PG or CPU ? That's it all cost for time.
So, starter character need grind for money for skill and he can't do anything when mates not online for him.
Yes you need isk I already explained where you can get the money without grinding. Read my previous post again. I don't have the numbers but you don't need many days to be able to use at least some of the modules I wrote about in my previous post so you can start being useful in pvp. Of course you won't be teh masterer when you start, but that's how it should work. And about those mates, if you read my previous post, you'll find a solution to the problem of being alone. Should I make a link for you so you can find it?
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Trade, you can't get enough money from traiding if you not have enough money and the skillbooks and expenses eat their profits.
Yes you can if you spend some time to look at the markets and do a bit of thinking. There are lots of items around that can be traded for 100% to 1000% margins.
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And you want send him to low and 0.0 systems ? That is a joke.
He will be tanking a 0.0 bs with their noobship or frig ? LOL
I said "fooling around in low sec/null sec". That means you just go there, fly around and see what's going on. For a new player that can very well be interesting even if you get blown up few times. |
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Parasite S
1.So you saw a nooby activly trading on his first day for enough income and with the right stuff yeah...
or even a nooby directly knowing which mission to go for and maybe ending up in lowsec *thanks to faction warfare now* directly being stripped of his tutorial frigate. *in most cases not even well fitted*
if you start a char over without money its poor grind to get the first 5 millions not more not less.
There is no need to grind for 5 million isk. You can start trading with say 200k and get profits that are comparable with level one missions. It really is not that hard if you spend some time on it. Of course if you feel that even the tutorial missions are boring grinding and can't even finish them to get a small amount of startisk, it might be hard to start training, but in that case it might be that eve is just not for you.
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2. if you really dont get it.... he trys to point out that without the grind mentioned above your char wont evolve at all.
They need isk, but where to get it has been already discussed.
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3. a couple of month? wow how active you plaied? 2h 3days a week maybe? if i start a new agent now it only takes me barely 40min and i had the same mission 3 times...
not to mention the loot is just aweful and the salvage sucks in most cases
As I said, some people like missions some don't. Some people get bored with them faster than others. No arguments there.
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4. so how much big/smaller corps let those "noobs" with web, scrambler and nothing more in today? right nearly none.
the big corps which could advance them easy and live in 0.0 have sp limit. the smaller pvp ones in lowsec cant use it since gategun aggro vs normal frig = pop. not to mention this poeple arent made yet to find people in belts and tackle them....
My experience with this is different. It's not that hard to find a corp that has active pvp and let's in noobs. And if you're worried about sentries, you can always participate in concord sanctioned wars against other corps.
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5. some people maybe acctualy play the game to be online with others? join a bigger corp sure... have a look arround in recruitment channel but keep in mind that even 30 people corps are mostly up to 50% alts *which will now just shrink thanks to nerf* and the remaining player arent that activ aswell in most cases than.
and normal is that as bigger and stronger the corp gets as more picky it is so..... you wont make it in.
I'd say most eve players are interested in the community aspects of this game. So no arguments there. Again from my experience it's not that hard to find an active pvp corp. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gara Al''Malik on 16/10/2008 11:16:57
Edited by: Gara Al''Malik on 16/10/2008 11:15:44
Originally by: Counter Spy
I read your post, but you wrote down many stupid things.
Not is the game reality. trade without money ? What you thinking about ? Starter char will make profit with 1000isk to next week 100 millions ? LOL
I just say for you, the trade need skills ,transport ship if you want grab money and need lot jurney.
Oh yes you will be say that, he not need move just sit in Jita.
1. Jaws kill fast in trade zone, you have 1000isk but they have billions. You will lost.
2. Lot of jump boring too. How mutch jump need 200-500-1000 ?
You don't have a clue about trading do you? You need very few very cheap skills to start training. You don't need a transport ship or even an industrial. You don't need to go to Jita. You don't even need to jump around all that much. You can get good deals with station or few jumps orders and many items you can transport in a frigate. If you choose to start station trading in some hub like Jita, no problem. Again, I refer you to my previous posts where I said thats serious traders don't care about items that have low volume, because they can't invest millions there. Many of these items have nice margins and they are perfect for beginning traders.
Also if you re-read my post, you'll notice that I never said that you could get from 1000 isk to 100 million isk in a week.
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The 1-2 agents will bring millions / missions ?
Not i think, when one npc give to him 4-9k isk. Need a starter player grind and more gring for money. Mining or more mining for money. Hours and more hours for trade.
This is all grind. And boring grind.
I wouldn't consider trading to be grinding. It's pvp. |
Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Don Shadow
Show me ANY mmo where you need at least 1(ONE)YEAR of training to be able to use a ****ing armor or sword!
In wow you can level up pretty fast if you grind like hell. And then if you want to have the good stuff, you need to grind and grind and grind for ages. All in all EVE takes a lot less grinding and for grind haters, EVEs skill system is a god send.
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
No, you said stupid things.
 What a great argumentation.
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Not hard to find a qualified PvP corp with a starter ? LOL
Noob at HQ:
Hy guys i'm a starter and i can fly with noobships, can a join for you mates ? I want shot with ya, and i will damage well.
Old PvPers:
Yes we need you, because you can do the task of the tackler for us only.
Noob:
Thank you mate, you obliged me.
Old PvPers:
Np, mate.
Ding-Ding... Alarm , Enemy coming
Hey little one, go to hangar and pick up one interceptor and we will destroying the attackers.
Noob:
Sry i can't fly.
Old PVpers:
All right, np.
If you cant fly with inty, bring Ibis with civilian gatling.
Trying to grasp even one argument that you could actually win when all the other things you've said have been stomped? Again I'd like to point you to the previous posts. Read them, please. Well I know you wont so I'll repeat. You don't need to be able to fly an interceptor or any other t2 ship to be useful. You can tackle in other ships as well. It doesn't take long to train for basic ewar which is always nice to have in a gang. There are pvp corps that don't want noobs in. There are also plenty that like to have new members even if they are beginners, because even beginners can be useful in pvp. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Ohohoho.
You can maximize the skills in EVE below 1 year if you pay ?
Which MMO need 20 year for all skill maximizing when the customer pay for service ?
Maximizing all skills in for example wow would take an insane amount of grinding because of the class system. You would need to have a level 80 char in each class. You could probably do it in less than 20 years, but it would take many many hours of grinding and break your sanity. I'd say it's about as much out of reach as in eve.
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: freddy madball
i think the point he was trying to make is, it doesnt take a year to get to some of the nice toys in other mmo's. and while we dont have a skill grind per say, we sure as heck have lots of other grinds, which do require us to actively play the game. well unless of course you resort to selling gtc's all the time. grind for standings, grind for ish, grind for minerals ect, grind so you can afford to get into that nice ship you are training too, which insurance barely covers.. not to mention modules.
and in most other mmo's it takes less time to get to that point considerably then it does to get in place in eve.
Start trading. Then there is no need to grind for isk, minerals or standings and you can get rich with market pvp. That is one thing that I love about eve, since I'm not a big fan of grinding either. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gara Al''Malik on 16/10/2008 12:50:27
Originally by: Chani Fedaykin
i happen to know at least to people that have a lvl 80 char in wow for each class ... and at least good or even high end geared.
for sure it takes a huge investment of time, but its not compareable to 20 years :P ... oh and btw: they are still quite sane (if you dont consider their addiction to wow ofc)
 Now that's some heavy grinding. I stand corrected. It seems that you actually can survive the boredom with your mental health intact. I made it only to level 43 with a single character before the endless grinding got me. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Originally by: Gara Al'Malik
blabla
Where is your answer i can't heard.
"no pay = no play isn't ?
If someone not playing, but paying why ticking the account clock ? The customer pay for nothing when he is not online ?"
Or coming again the evasion ?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you want my opinion about the payment system of EVE? OK, sure. Here it is: it's the same as with all mmorpgs. You pay for the possibility to play as much as you want (except down times of course) for some duration. If you don't pay, you don't play. I as a customer am not against the possibility of paying for the actual time spent online, but I guess that wouldn't be a good idea from the service providers point of view since to the best of my knowledge no mmorpgs have that system. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Counter Spy
Originally by: Shar Tegral
If someone not playing, but paying why ticking the account clock ? The customer pay for nothing when he is not online ?
CCP productions sells to you the right to connect to their virtual servers for roughly 23 hours per day, 7 days per week, for the monthly time cycle you have purchased. (Barring maintenance and upgrade time like any standard provider.)
Non-no-no this is lying.
If anyone not playing, why could be pay for servers for another one ? And lying because the servers always stand 1 hours or more all days, and the costumers pay for it, when not playing, this is the maintaince costs.
Dude, you need to start reading the posts you are replying to. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sironus
Well, I quit maybe two or three times a year... Then, when I get bored enough again, I log in to try out whatever new ships I ghost-trained.
Next time I get bored enough to sign up again, I won't have any new stuff waiting for me to fly.
...I won't be coming back again. I cancelled last night. That's that. Game over.
Can I have your stuff? Oh you canceled already. Well if you happen to make a come back send me your stuff before you cancel again. |
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Oh no another two CCP alt like
Gara Al'Malik and Shar Tegral
The tinfoil brigade strikes again! |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rethie
-1 when it runs out
and no you cant have my stuff or isk, it can just die with me
Originally by: 3PA
and no, you can't have my stuff because it all goes to the people spending $$$ on GTCs and selling them. so much for in-game balance.
Just one cruiser? I know you're feeling all warm and fuzzy inside and want to be nice to people. |
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Posted - 2008.10.17 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Najenna
Well I have to say this is a very bad move on C.C.P. part and they will see it in their wallets. I am the type of person that believes in the phrase " An eye for an eye" So I say we all get in our capitals ships and self destruct and crash the server. Think about 10 thousand people in 1 system all self destruct = server crash..
I support this idea. Everyone, self destruct your capital ships! And also all ships with expensive fitting. Just tell me the system and I'll be there in my salvager *cough* I mean my expensive ship that I'm about to blow up.
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.17 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cutesmile
Beggar why beg always for something stuff ?
Go to work homeless. ;)
Where did you see begging in my post? I'm fully supporting this great plan of vengeance.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cutesmile
Originally by: Gara Al'Malik
Originally by: Cutesmile
Beggar why beg always for something stuff ?
Go to work homeless. ;)
Where did you see begging in my post? I'm fully supporting this great plan of vengeance.
Beggar dont repeat always ? " can i have your stuffs ?"
Go to pay or work for stuffs, and end the begging.]
I didn't ask for anyones stuff in my post. Did you read it?
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